According to a victim of the Chilean clergy abuse scandal who privately met with Pope Francis in April, Pope Francis said that he should “accept himself and his same-sex attraction” because God made him that way.

Juan Carlos Cruz, a victim of sexual abuse by Fr. Fernando Karadima, who is at the center of the Chilean sexual abuse scandal, was invited to the Vatican along with other victims of abuse to speak with Pope Francis.

In a subsequent interview with El País, a Spanish newspaper, Cruz stated that, in addition to receiving an apology and comfort for the abuse he suffered, he and the Pope had also spoken about his identification as a gay man.

“He told me “Juan Carlos, I don’t care about you being gay. God made you that way and loves you as you are and I don’t mind. The pope loves you as you are, you have to be happy with who you are.”

Jesuit Priest Father James Martin told the Los Angeles Times, in response to this recent statement by the Pope: “This is a big deal, I cannot remember the pope making a comment about gay people being born that way”.

While this statement, if it was actually made, would not affect or constitute a decree to change in Church teaching, it would appear to be a departure from the language of the Catechism which says that the psychological genesis of homosexual orientation “remains largely unexplained”.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church #2357 states:

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. [emphasis added] Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

The Vatican has neither confirmed or clarified on the purported comments by Pope Francis.

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  1. What if perhaps the mystery has been revealed and that what we now understand is that it can have a genetic component. That it is also throughout the natural world as well and there fore not a natural law at all. Where in the Bible anyway,,, old or New ?

  2. People can be genetically prone to alcoholism or other disorders too. That does not means it is something God intended. We live in a fallen world with tsunamis, earthquakes, deadly insects, none of these things are what God intended, you cannot say that just because they exist in the world. But, people will use that argument to justify their unholy, broken ways.

  3. Many people are born with depression and various other ailments, which is the Cross they carry, and allows them to find the Glory of God through acceptance of the Holy Spirit each day. It is not easy, never will be. It is open ended. Self-will is accorded for the person to be Christ to others and walk with them in their healing, and in forming communities with one another in the name of Christ, His Kingdom is here on earth. The intention and/or instruction is never to indulge in it and let the enemy separate us from one another, our communities, The Family, nor eventually, ourselves. Hence the disordered movements, just like depression. Put on the Armor of God, take heart and be strong in your weakness. Only by helping others to heal do we heal ourselves. All but for the Glory of God.

  4. I believe these tendencies to things like being alcoholic or gay, even perhaps depression and many other ailments, come out of “original sin.” I’ve talked to many gay women who cited abuse as their primary reason for choosing a gay lifestyle. Most alcoholics come from alcoholic families – surprise! If you did not inherit alcoholism genetically, you certainly got the role model of alcoholism from your parent (assuming you knew him/her). original sin explains a lot.

  5. It is interesting that many people when talking about a friend, relative or just someone they know of who is in an active same sex relationship, always respond “he/she is a good person, does not hurt anyone” as if anyone is disputing this fact. And if we are all honest with ourselves, none of us is ever always a good/charitable person who never ever hurt anyone. That is why Jesus is waiting to give us His forgiveness, mercy and abundant graces in the Sacrament of Confession.

    This article does not say that Juan Carlos is in an active same sex relationship. All we know is that Juan Carlos identifies as a homosexual. If it is true that Pope Francis said that “God made him that way”, he is giving him misguided support and enabling rather than telling Juan Carlos that God created us in His image and likeness and that if we are going to identify ourselves, this identity should be as “a child (children) of God” first and sinners second, rather than as a homosexual or gay. Men and women who are married or dating / engaged to people of the opposite sex do not identify themselves as heterosexuals. Those in the LGBTQ community may use this to identify those who do not identify as LGBTQ, but husbands and wives and those men dating women and vise versa do not use the term heterosexuals the way the term gay, lesbian, bi-sexual are being used! Would Pope Francis tell someone who is struggling with faithfulness (to one woman, his wife) that it does not matter, God made him that way, that he should accept himself as an adulterer? Or to the person struggling with pornography (involving adults or children) or masturbation or struggling with a strong attraction to children, that God is happy with what they are doing (notice I did not say: happy with who they are, because they do not identify themselves as masturbators, pornography addicts or prepubescent child oriented). No, Pope Francis out of love for Jesus and in gratitude that He died on the cross to free us from the chains that bind us to sin would after advising him not to identify as a homosexual but as a child of God, who loves him very much (that is why He died for Juan Carlos as He did for all of us), would ask him if although he struggles with same sex attraction if he is living chaste. Hopefully Juan Carlos would be honest with Pope Francis and if he said he was in an active same sex relationship, Pope Francis would talk to him about God’s will for marriage and sex and how Jesus confirmed His Father’s plan from the beginning when responding to the Pharisees who were testing Him by saying, “Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” Pope Francis would lead/encourage him to turn away from this sin (yes, it is important for Pope Francis to identify and yes, identify is the right word here) exactly what this action is. As people on our spiritual journeys to eternity with God in Heaven, we will never be totally free of the temptation to sin or totally free of falling into sin, but we can, with the help of God and His abundant mercy and out of love for Him and our neighbor, not remain in our sin. His death freed us from the slavery of sin!!!

  6. My Dear Pope,
    Thank you for your comment about God making us that way.
    I have been abused by 8abusers both female and males.
    On my very first abuse which was a aunt she sat on my face and I had my first meeting with God, he took me out of my body and sat me on my father dresser and even though I couldn’t see him I know someone was sitting next to to.
    My abuse when on and by age 9 a uncle started abusing me and he also shared me with his friends.
    I kept asking God what did I do why are you punishing me? Do you hate me?
    I was a Alta Boy in our church, just learning. After mass I overheard the priest ask one of the older boys to stay after to help with the wine then they could drink some, I knew enough so far about abuse, luckily the boy said no he couldn’t.
    I had by that time never wanted anything to do with sex, and planned on becoming a priest, that changed my mind totally.
    That year I got to go to boyscout camp with school mates. The first night all of us 12 year old boys were told to get out of our tent , we thought we was going to be taken into the woods and had to find our way back. But not true we were taken to another tent of older boy 18 years old, one was a brother of one that was with me, each older boy raped and molested us, I couldn’t believe a brother could do that.
    We made a pack that we would never tell or even talk about it.
    But to move on, I dated some girls, they wanted to have sex I was 16 or 17, I said I am waiting until I get married so the girls just broke up
    Then I was dating my senior year in high school, I told her the same , but she said you are almost 19 how about graduation so I got drunk so I wouldn’t have to have sex, I was passed out but she raped me anyway.
    I have tried killing my self over 27 times, I became a alcoholic.
    During getting sober my counselor put it this way.
    She said we are all Gods children but the devil had ahold of all your abusers, you didn’t stop believing in God even though you were mad at him for letting them abuse you. But every time you tried killing yourself it didn’t happen, the rope broke or someone found you, that’s because you believe in him, so he made sure it didn’t happen.
    One time I had a farm accident and was fighting for my life, then I heard a loud voice, why are you fighting so hard to live you always wanted it to look like a accident so what do you want to live or die, I yelled I want to live and I was realleased . It was 30 below 0
    Back to the priest I didn’t know, I asked him if I could talk to him, he sat next to me and I told him a short part of my abuse and thought God hatted me.andhe was punishing me all my life.
    He said do you believe in the Bible, I said yes, so God said we are made in his image, so God is white, black, yellow pink he’s male or female, he’s all kinds of animals. So you see God is everything even gay, because you are made in God image, it made me feel so much better.
    I knew that God didn’t hate me
    Fifteen years ago a man came into my life I have never been treated so good, I have never been called names, beat up and my mom loved him and he treated my mom so special. He is what everyone needs in there life.
    One time after coming home from the hospital he came every morning to make sure I was ok, one morning he thought I was doing good and said he would call me when he got to work. He shared a ride to work, but on the way almost there he heard a voice that I needed him and he needed to go home get his truck and get to my house, he also knew not to call me. My partner is Buddhist. So he made his driver turn around, he got his truck and got to me found me leaning off my bed unconscious.
    He called 911, I was unconscious over 12 hours or more. I woke up in ICU very angry, saying why did you bring me back. I was in a White room no window no doors, I don’t know if I was standing or, but the first thing I knew I was not in pain, wow I have live with every day then I realized I was at peace wow it’s beautiful peace is wonderful, then I realize that I was dieing and just waiting for my organs to stop and I was ok with it. I had not wanted to die before my mom because she lost one son and she never got over it, but I never thought obout it, it was not but peace ad I was going to Heaven. But my partner was there holding my hands and praying for me to wake up. So I know some day, I will go to Heaven, because I believe and love God And Jesus and Mary
    Thank you for this remark
    Douglas H. Thomas Sr


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